Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. This is a higher scale power level. - Fight Scenario -. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. And yeah he stomps. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Jul 30, 2018. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Jan 29, 2017. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. The level is set when. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Far from Beyonder levels. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Beyonder is either: A. Quantu. And he loses. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. 111 results. Thanks for that. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. 1. Powers and Stats. New Comics. ago. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. 7: Old Lord Thanos. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 1 Answer Sorted by: 9 There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. show 3 replies . 9 years ago. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. White 0hoenix Jean Grey 21. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. #1. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. Followers. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. #1 Omega48. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. 1. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. I forget her name. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. Molecule Man. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). ago. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Forum Posts. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. . and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. :The mage can't use any scrying abilitys between the fights to study his opponents except against the Doctor. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Yeah true. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Welcome to earth. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. . The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Wiki Points. Origin: Marvel Comics. But basically Dr. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Follow 3300. Fight takes place in current DC universe. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. 13 years ago. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. #28 ovy7. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. 8. 7 years ago. " So, name someone. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. let's wait and see his actual feats. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. He made it so the Beyonders created the multiverse. 2. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Both sides are in character but determined to win. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. But it wont be easy by no means. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. 0. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. 8 K. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. 1. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. let's wait and see his actual feats. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. 0. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. #1 Edited By XiiX. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. The result is pretty obvious. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Yeah. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Thank you. 2. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. -Everything in bleach. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. Forum Posts. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. The result of an. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. @hyperbeing said:. 0. #36. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. Follow 11369. 6. not all are the same power level. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Cubey. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Reviews: 0. Kuuko273. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. Imagine that as a drop of water. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. - Neither. Origin: Marvel Comics. Gen. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. it would be mostly stalemate. 3. No prep and no knowledge. Beyonder needs some preparation. Powers are basically the same thing. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . VS. The Two fight in the beyond realm. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. 8 C. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Multi-Death 28. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. ago. Both are in character. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. #1 Omega48. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Follow 4533. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). ago. Super Power Score and Level. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 5 years ago. The Beyonders call the. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. Regardless. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. VS. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Wiki Points. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. 66. Jim Shooter who was the. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Pre Retcon Beyonder. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. But, that was in regard to a. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. . PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. pre-retcon Beyonder. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Wich when stoped, created SCP-999. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Prepare for. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Lucifer Morningstar. So by this admission, he described Beyonder. There are levels of overpowered. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Super Power Score and Level. Name: Beyonder Origin: Marvel Comics Gender: Appears male, in reality has no actual gender Classification: Cosmic being Age: Unknown (possibly older than the universe) Powers and Abilities: Massive multiversal-scale reality warping, shapeshifting, telepathy, soul manipulation, near-omniscience, immortality (type 5), immune to practically every. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. 5. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. 2. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. 4 years. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. 3. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. . The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. 10 years ago. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. 4,859 4,632. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. Apr 18, 2021. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. 5. So I might be missing something. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. 0. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. 9 years ago.